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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and meet Cathy

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any deal which makes mr. Netanyahu as

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mad as hell and not going to take it

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anymore sounds like a deal worth

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supporting and privately at least the

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feudal dictatorship of Saudi Arabia is

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furious to the worst reactionary

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backwoodsman in the US Congress are up

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in arms and their media has immediately

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come to heel though Fox News

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characteristically well-informed told

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their audience that Obama had made a

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nuclear deal with Iraq now that would be

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news but that doesn't mean the deal

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between the p5 plus 1 and Iran is

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necessarily good in itself neither does

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it mean it will be without regional

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ramifications joining us now to discuss

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the historic eid agreement is Muhammad

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Kamali of cosmic campaign against

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sanctions and military intervention in

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Iran well it looks like the sanctions

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are coming to an end and there's not

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likely now to be a military intervention

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I suppose that puts your organization

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out of business well I hope so I wish I

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was that optimistic I think there's

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still a long way off before the

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sanctions at least are actually removed

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the military threats I think are largely

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irrelevant now and they have been for

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quite some time but the sanctions regime

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is still in place it's still at least

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six months before they are actually

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lifted from from from the time that's

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that this agreement actually enters

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practice so I tell the viewers what kind

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of sanctions were talking about the

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sanctions were extremely comprehensive

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its arranged from from a preventing Iran

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from selling its petroleum its oil from

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from its refineries to insurance to

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banking to even some medical equipments

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to it was comprehensive it was too until

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he figures telecommunications recently

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Aaron off from the world the TV stations

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exactly there was lots of TV stations

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and you know satellite channels which

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which which were under the pretext that

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they were actually connected to the

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Iranian government they were cut off for

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now so it was quite comprehensive to to

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to the effect that even ordinary

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Iranians which has nothing to do not

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just with the nuclear program but also

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nothing to do with the Iranian

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government's nothing to do with any

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governmental organization whatsoever

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David also affected the Iranian students

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for example could not transfer money

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from Iran to to where they were studying

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if they were studying abroad you had an

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issue where a lot of patients in Iranian

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hospitals could not get the medication

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that they needed in time and all of that

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sort of contributed to the suffering of

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ordinary Iranians but at the same time I

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think they after a while there came a

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sense that in fact Iran should and

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should continue to rely on its own

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internal resources in order to overcome

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those sanctions I think that's that's a

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very important point that need to be

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needs to be stressed because the Iranian

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is how it's going to be for for quite a

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while so let's let's necessity being the

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mother of invention that has been the

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case for Iran's military for much longer

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than than the more recent sanctions for

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example where a lot of a lot of efforts

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that Iranians had done on military

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advancements largely defensive of course

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had been home drunk and and of course

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the nuclear file that we discussed as

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part of this agreement that's a prime

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example of where the international

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community kind of prevented Iran as a

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sovereign country to to collaborate with

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other countries which had previously

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developed their nuclear programs to kind

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of obtain technological advancements to

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to create a program side because you're

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almost prevented from that then they had

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to do this on their own and that

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contributed to a large-scale nuclear

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program which included from enrichment

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from building reactors and so on a lot

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of countries for example do not even go

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down the enrichment routes because they

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have free access to open market

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international markets they can just

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precious enriched uranium of fuel for

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their reactors

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because Iran was precisely because he

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was under sanction and it was prevented

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from buying enriched uranium for its

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civilian nuclear program unjustly of

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course they resorted to building their

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own internal indigenous law of

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unintended consequences what let's look

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at the political context now it's a

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major failure for Netanyahu that this

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deal has been reached the British

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Foreign Secretary this week said

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something I've never had a british

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foreign secretary ever say namely that

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no agreement would have satisfied israel

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and stating boldly that israel wanted to

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have a continuation of a state of

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tension but that was not in the

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interests of the region and not in

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British interests a very decisive break

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I absolutely between Britain and Israel

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so he's mad as hell he has a lot of

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friends in the US Congress how do you

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evaluate their capabilities of

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scuppering this deal I think the

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Israelis will try the best but the kind

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of maybe they are they're blind to this

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maybe they simply ignore it the fact

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that they have become quite irrelevant

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in this in this topic I mean the first

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thing that came out of the Israelis was

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was that you know they they are not part

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of this this deal and in itself it's

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there's there's a sort of arrogance

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associated with that but if you look at

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it in in practice that means that they

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are kind of isolating themselves inside

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Iran one reads that the Revolutionary

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Guard and the if you like the most Ellis

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revolutionaries in Iran are not happy

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what's their capability of scarring the

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deal I think they are they we have to we

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have to differentiate between the

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rhetoric and what they do in practice

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rhetoric is something you can you can

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define your audience and then you know

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target your rhetoric based on that but

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but in practice they are absolutely

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behind it and they have they have many

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many times before the deal was actually

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reached expressed their support of

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it sort of expressed their red lines and

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that sort of thing similar to Iran's

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supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei as

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well but they have been largely

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supporting not just of the deal because

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the final text only came out a few days

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ago but but also of the negotiating team

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as well and that's that's extremely

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important so they put their trust in the

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negotiating team and they publicly

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expressed that trust rowhani's

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administration also benefited in a sense

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from this deal in a sense that it kind

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of unified Iran's various factions from

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from right to left in supporting the

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deal as a national project not just a

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certain outcome that that was you know a

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result of rouhani's election as well so

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and it's also important to realize that

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this the negotiations and the deal did

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did not even start with the rowhani's

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presidency it kind of gave it a new

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momentum of course but the whole reason

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why the agreement was reached I think is

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is because we have a new situation in

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the Middle East as a whole and in the

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world in a sense where as you mentioned

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the case of Israel there's a lot of a

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reasonableness sort of prevailing in the

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sense that's you know there's a

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divergence from Israeli interest and

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Western interest where a lot of

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countries including the United States

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have finally realized that in fact it is

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not there in their interest to support

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blindly support Israeli policies in the

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Middle East blindly support even even

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Saudi policies in the Middle East and

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this is one step towards that goal that

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European countries as well as China and

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Russia of course they kind of distancing

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themselves from from Israel and the

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long-term ramifications are much more

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huge than their than the details of this

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this this deal I think overall the deal

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we could we could argue about the

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details of it you know whether it is an

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actual you know in Iran's actually

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interest or not but in the long term I

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testament to Iran's negotiating

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capabilities and the new situation that

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we are facing in the Middle East where

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Iran has has been recognized as a major

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regional player where

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cannot be avoided any longer and the US

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policy of supporting Israelis and Saudis

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resulted in a situation that we see from

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recently and the chaos that we see in

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Syria and Iraq so they are kind of

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distancing themselves from from from

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this and sort of moving into a new

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chapter we're only at the beginning of

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this new chapter says we can only remain

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hopeful I think it's the right direction

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if you like I was wondering indeed how

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this deal is going to translate for the

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daily last Iranians as well as Iran's

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position in the region I think Ron's

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positioning the region has already

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improved quite a lot not just because of

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the deer because of it the deal was a

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sort of a final stamp on this but before

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improved a lot that's that's how the

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deal was reached in a sense otherwise

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there was there would be no way the

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world powers would actually sit with

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Iran and you know you had security

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council resolutions where you know it

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was saying that you either a dismantle

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your enrichment program or these

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sanctions will continue Iran not only

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kept not only you know negotiated

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lifting of sanctions but also kept its

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enrichment program which is a very very

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significant lot more trade international

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Chancellor Lee I think I think even

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before the deal was reached a lot of

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investment firms a lot of multinationals

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kind of lined up and there have been

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trips to Iran more recently not actual

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trade but trips sort of fact-finding how

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they are going to get back into this

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market it's a huge market 80 million

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population it's it's a very diverse

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economy unlike a lot of other countries

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cooperating in the Iranian market as

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this will sort of provides Iranian

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expats an opportunity to return to Iran

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as well so whether they are businessmen

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that's that's kind of an overall you

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know world moment because we're running

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out of time which of Iran's allies in

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the region may now be ditched Bashar

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will any of those now be ditched I don't

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think so no I don't think so if anything

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this deal is is is more reason that

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Iran's positions not just with regards

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to its nuclear program but in in the

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middle east's have been I've been

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vindicated it's it's it's a testament

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that in fact those positions where

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cracks in fact those who Iran supported

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were actually you know had legitimate

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concerns whether it is in Syria you know

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it's it's a realization that the United

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said recently whereas Iran has been

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saying this for a long time that the

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alternative to I said is as Isis exactly

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it doesn't mean that I said is perfect

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but it means that the alternative to use

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Isis you you want to topple topple him

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and his regime you know what will you be

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left with I think that's that's the

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practical question they ron has had from

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the beginning it's it's not the free

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syrian army of those sort of sort of

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moderate rebels which whatever that

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moderate hearty disaster I'm and uh

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we've run out of time but a fascinating

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tour of the horizon thanks very much for

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coming on the sonic coming up after this

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break it's a tale of two traitors and

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they're very different punishment

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Chelsea Manning and David Petraeus don't

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miss it

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I'll come back to Sputnik Chelsea

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Manning and her WikiLeaks comrades we

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attended Julian Assange's 44th birthday

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party last night in the Ecuador embassy

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under siege will be judged by history as

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the most heroic of whistleblowers David

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Petraeus whistle was blown rather by his

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secret lover and for a commercial book

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deal he was the former chief of the US

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Armed Forces whilst Manning was a humble

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foot soldier Petraeus was an immoral

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cheating liar Manning an honest teller

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of uncomfortable truths Manning will

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probably never see daylight again

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Petraeus has never spent a day behind

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bars joining us now is Oliver cycles of

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queer friends of chelsea manning Oliver

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welcome to the sputnik tell the viewers

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if you will just exactly what Chelsea

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Manning is in prison for well Josie

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Manning she was a private intelligence

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analyst in the US Army and she was she

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joined the army a very young age she was

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21 22 at the time she in 2009 was

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stationed in near Baghdad at Forward

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Operating Base hammer as an intelligence

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analyst looking she had access to two

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intelligence networks while she was

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there and really during her time doing

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the analysis of that information and and

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giving it to troops on the ground she

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very quickly realized that the war was

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was not as it seemed to people back in

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the states and to the west rest of the

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coalition countries and she was seeing

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innocent people being arrested being

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tortured being killed unless completely

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unnecessarily and when you're behaving

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like that in a country when your

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military is behaving like that in

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country you are not going to win hearts

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and minds so she decided well she first

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spoked her superiors and they told her

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to get lost they weren't interested so

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finally she felt she had no option

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really and but to go to the New York

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Times and The Washington Post approached

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them with the information that she'd

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she'd got from these

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intelligence networks they did not

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respond to her unfortunately for them

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because these were the biggest really

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the biggest scoop since we had Daniel

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Ellsberg and with the Pentagon Papers so

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they lost a big one there and

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unsurprisingly after that they denied

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that Josie had tried to contact them

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unfortunately she was chatting to online

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to a gentleman called Adrian lamo who's

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an infamous hacker named for hacking

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Microsoft Yahoo and the New York Times

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and I think that's why Chelsea reached

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out to him because she felt she was

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doing something that she could only talk

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to a very few people about and she

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trusted him to have the hacking skills

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that he knew how they could communicate

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together using encrypted technology so

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that Chelsea Manning wouldn't be

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exposing herself unfortunately Adrian

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lamo turned out to be a bit of a snitch

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and turned on Chelsea he has a

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reputation for being a bit of a likes

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the attention of me did the media shall

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we say so it's very likely to the

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authorities yes for a bit of limelight

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for himself because the the revelations

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that she made and our collaboration with

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WikiLeaks will go down in history a

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man's little one in particular the

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helicopter footage where the controller

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says light them up and the helicopters

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machine guns proceed to light up a large

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number of civilians and children who are

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lit up all right they are incinerated to

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death for absolutely no reason yeah just

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a kind of shooting range yeah i mean i

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look like a video game yes exactly not

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an issue i mean i've played those kind

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of video games with friends together in

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a house and exactly the same kind of

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language is being used yell it's let's

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get them you know but and but there for

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them that's real life you know but

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they're treating Eliza

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making real death and you know that

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collateral murder video is was really

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one of the deciding moment for Chelsea

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when she saw that because 12 people were

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killed in that action two children were

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seriously a young girl was shot in the

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stomach and it was because really they

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that this Apache helicopter that saw

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them was a mile away they can really see

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anything they mistook a camera bag of

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one of the Reuters journalists for a gun

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they didn't even bother to try and get

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close and get proper confirmation

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incidentally one of the first Army

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soldiers on the ground to arrive at the

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scene came across this just absolute

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carnage a chap called Ethan McCord saw

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that saw what happened saw this girl

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with her you know half a stomach blown

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away and this has destroyed his life he

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shortly afterwards tried to commit

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suicide while he was in the military he

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was discharged given no help whatsoever

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went home with fantasies of killing his

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own family became a serious alcoholic

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and again tried to kill himself what

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feel me but they haven't filled chassis

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she's writing now absa for she's got you

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yep she said got net op head in Guardian

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she publishes every few weeks and I

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really recommend people read her stuff

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it's fascinating gives you an insight

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into what she's going through as a trans

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women in a male you know military prison

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um why why they got are still in the

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mill militarist and to be honest that's

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not one of the things I've known that

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she's requested to be moved into a

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female prison I know that she she wanted

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the holman hormone replacement therapy

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to begin and this is a first for the US

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military this is something they have

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denied all trans people who had been

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held by the military they've refused

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them treatment cuz he's in a military

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presence of all right yeah because if

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she was in a kind of state prison she

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would get this treatment is she in

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solitary

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in that wasn't no she when she was first

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being held this is pretrial conditions

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before she was the troll came to take

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place this is during 2011 she was held

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for about 11 months at Quantico Marine

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base and the condition she was kept in

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work were absolutely awful I mean she

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was she was put on suicide watch and was

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woken up every five minutes this is 24

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hours a day every five minutes someone

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would open the hatch and say are you

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okay and Chelsea would have to respond

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yes I'm okay and that would happen 24

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hours a day every five minutes there was

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all lights were left on all nights 24

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hours she had to get up at 5am go to bed

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at ten a.m. Oh 10pm sorry and during the

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day she was not allowed to lie down she

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could only really stand or sit she told

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a crime to people right draw does she

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receive mill yep she's a Fort

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Leavenworth now in Kansas and it's

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possible to write to her if you go to

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the Bradley Manning support network

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website they like cake you later the

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address because they dress has sometimes

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change states worth worth keep I think

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that's a good idea everyone should do

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that let's all send our solidarity

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messages to chelsea manning Fort

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Leavenworth prison she is serving 35

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years yeah whilst David Petraeus who was

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the head of the whole shooting that he's

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a he's a four-star general and also

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joins her if they're exactly the CIA he

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got two years probation I mean if either

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of them are traitors he's a much bigger

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traitor and his betrayal was for

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commercial or sexual purposes yeah got

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two years probation that must be very

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hard for you to take yes and as well

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because before Chelsea Manning was

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convicted there was there's a record

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quite famous recording of president

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obama fundraiser saying that chelsea

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manning is guilty and you know this is

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completely illegal for him to

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because he's to judge the kids its kind

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of and that's exerting pressure maybe

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you know the judge has seen this and

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think so well that you know he's the

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president of United States if I want my

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career to go anywhere and maybe I should

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make sure that his his judgment becomes

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the judgment and Petraeus Obama again

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said you know oh you know there's not

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have enough evidence to prove that

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betrayus as he's well known now as

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various yes and damaged national

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security any in any way in incidentally

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robert gates former defense secretary

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said that Josie Manning had not damaged

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national security would not change US

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foreign policy and if anything had just

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embarrassed the US thats thats aspetta

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cuz that's the truth of it but

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embarrassment on a on a global and

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gigantic skill yeah and if they're not

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embarrassed doesn't isn't the half of it

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shin ought to be the natural response of

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any decent person in the united states

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yeah yeah this was being done in their

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name using their tax dollars and in

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pursuit of their foreign policy goals

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now tell us about a queer friends of

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Chelsea Manning it's an unusual name 1

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i'm glad to be associated with but tell

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us about it well we set up in a light

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2010 really and the aim really was too

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because at the time Chelsea was you know

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known as formerly known as Bradley

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Manning a gay man so we said we set this

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up to kind of really raise the profile

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of chelsea in the in the queer community

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so we were attending and has that worked

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as there a deal of sympathy uh we've

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noticed as the years progressed that

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there is much more sort of awareness the

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first couple of years we were doing a

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london prior manchester pride and going

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to various events that a lot of people

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are asking well who is who is this

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person we don't know but now you know we

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went on london pride we're now getting

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huge cheers very few people are asking

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whoo-hoo chelsea manning is so it's

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really working and the word is getting

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out there and thanks to thanks to you

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and Artie Sputnik that and they sat on

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our it's our honor to host you and the

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campaign and we'll make sure the contact

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details are on the screen Oliver stick

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thanks very much and now it's your turn

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to tell us what you think through the

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portals of social media what's rattling

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Gayatri so Iran deal or no deal arch

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mall abdul-jabbar answers it's a mixed

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bag I believe it's more about us

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interest dollar sign in Iran's national

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resources all know however a good deal

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and twit perene says we believe that a

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deal will be a win-win and no deal will

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just delay in waste efforts of all okay

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and when it comes to chelsea manning vs

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Petraeus or betrayus Clara contra says

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Chelsea's 35 years are a badge of honor

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for her and a disgrace to us SS Petraeus

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two years probation and takes answers

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Manning Jill's for exposing

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mass-murdering heroes in US Army cocky

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alright that's all we've got for this

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week which alas means that's the end of

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the show stay in touch with us on

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twitter at RT underscores picnic on

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facebook let's put Nick on Russia today

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goodbye from me Gayatri I'm from me

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George Galloway it's been marvelous

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you